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Satanic “Communities” Online: Why I Do Not Associate With Them

I think that most human beings, by virtue of our very natures, have some deep-seeded desire to seek out and immerse themselves amongst others with similar values, beliefs and interests.  No matter how much of an individual you may be, there is almost always some degree of interest in either being a part of a community or otherwise intermingling with a community – even if for the benefit of asserting your authority in a subject or to be looked upon favourably. 

Since I first came into Satanism many years ago, the Internet was one of the only places accessible to me in which I could learn about Satanism, in its many aspects, and communicate with others who identified as Satanists.  In the beginning, I was unsure of my footing – I had been burned several times on so-called Satanic forums when I had introduced myself as a Theistic Satanist.  Had I known then that these places I had visited were LaVeyan Satanic discussion groups, I may have steered clear.  However, I continued to seek some kind of conversation amongst these people – even branching out later into the Demonolatry community only to find myself sorely disappointed by what I found.

Even when I finally found discussion groups which either consisted wholly of or graciously included Theistic Satanists, all I found was more of the same.  Online Satanic communities are innately filled with the most vile, pathetic, rude, witless and cowardly people I have ever met.  For some reason, “Satanists” online believe that in order to be taken seriously, they must abide by the following protocols:

A.  Include swear words in their conversations.  That’s right.  Simple intelligent discussion is of no interest to these people.  Only someone who swears, and often, can be a real bad-ass.  Seeing as they have something to prove, finding any intellectuals with any real understanding of Satanism amongst the flapping gums of half-educated posers and Internet losers is an impossible task.

B.  Attack anyone who appears to be using “magick” or acknowledges polytheism.  I have seen people torn apart for posting questions or topics related to something as simple as using herbs.  Because “real Satanists” are only capable of Internet bullying and manipulating people whilst hiding behind a computer screen, there is obviously no use for something such as energy manipulation.  It all makes sense now.

C.  Pick as many fights with as many random people as possible and blog about them openly so that all of their cute Satanic friends will rally around them and post nasty comments at the offenders.  I have never seen such childish people in all my life.  Individuals claiming to be in such a mastered state of control over themselves obviously have something left to learn seeing how deeply “butt-hurt” they seem to become over “teh Internet dramaz”.

D.  For people who claim to scoff at the “sheep flock” mentality, all these people are capable of are flocking to their “Satanic forums” day in, day out, and finding like-minded trolls to form cute little Internet assault squadrons which scan every thread for any sign of weakness in order to rip into the hapless fool who has been so stupid as to stumble into their hive.  Nice individuality.  Let’s group together (very individualistic) and use swear words (extreme sign of intelligence) and wait for someone to make a comment that we can pick apart (maturity, self-control, I’m very impressed).

A word to the genuine Seeker.  If you are seeking to join a “Theistic Satanism” group, especially online, please save yourself the upset and just don’t.  There are no legitimate, self-respecting groups of Satanists anywhere online with half a brain cell between them.  You will only find little pockets of teenagers, losers who hide behind a computer screen and pick at their keyboards with giddy euphoria whilst trolling the latest threads, people who cannot even use spellchecker, people who have read the Satanic Bible once and who suddenly have become an expert in all things Satanic, or those individuals who genuinely try to promote good conversation but who have been so sadly overwhelmed by the hordes of sheep as to have given up entirely.

What a sad place the Internet is sometimes.


Luciferianism & Theistic Satanism: Are They The Same?

The answer is unequivocally no.

For some time on the Internet, I have noticed an inclination for Luciferianism to be compared to, if even equated with Theistic Satanism.  Some individuals have begun to classify Satanism as:

Atheistic Satanism (i.e., LaVeyan)
Theistic Satanism (i.e., Luciferian)

Let me first make it clear that the term, Theistic Satanism, is an umbrella term – much the same as is the umbrella term, Paganism.  Theistic Satanism does not denote one single, unified religion whose practitioners observe the same Holy Days, beliefs in Divinity or Satanic philosophies.  It is not an organised religion.  Practitioners of Theistic Satanism are almost always solitary and, most assuredly, eclectic in nature.

Similarly, Luciferianism is also an umbrella term for a collection of practices and religions which share a common thread – a belief in and exaltation of the figure or symbolism of Lucifer.  Unlike Theistic Satanists, Luciferians may or may not be theistic – as in LaVeyan Satanism, some Luciferians believe in the concept and archetype of Lucifer and his symbolism as opposed to others who consider Lucifer to be a Deity.

While some may consider Luciferians to fall under the umbrella of Theistic Satanism, I personally do not.  For me, Luciferians venerate the figure of Lucifer whereas Theistic Satanists venerate the figure of Satan.  Some may insinuate that Lucifer and Satan are the same entity, but for anyone who has managed even the most humble of attempts at Biblical research it is quite clear that Lucifer was not equated with Satan until the rise of the New Testament and subsequent scholarly postulations by Christian authors.

The purpose of this “disclaimer” is not to discredit the existence of Lucifer – and while I very much consider him to be a fictional character, I do also respect the beliefs of Luciferians and thus choose to refrain from arguing my point more strongly in regards to the mythology of Lucifer within the Bible.

There seems to be two lines of thought emerging from the Luciferian community today.  Those aligned with the rather odd and, frankly, silly writings of Michael W. Ford and those aligned with the notion that Luciferians are somehow the equivalent of Satanic “fluffy bunnies”.

Luciferian fluffy bunnies have been visible on the Internet for some time.  They tend to haunt Neo-Pagan forums and proclaim themselves to be the “good Satanists”, as opposed to non-Luciferians who must be “bad Satanists”.  One such musing went so far as to indicate that Luciferians were a cross between Theistic Satanism and Christianity.  Some Luciferians are actually Neo-Wiccans who believe that Lucifer was a demonised Roman Deity and have aligned themselves with him as their Patron.  While I have no issue with the beliefs of others, the insinuation that Luciferianism is the “white light” offspring of the Left Hand Path is honestly rather nauseating.  Few of these Luciferian fluffy bunnies actually know what the Left Hand Path is, much less embrace it.

Theistic Satanism is also full of its own brand of fluffy bunnies and lunatics.  Some so-called Theistic Satanists believe that Satan is actually the Sumerian Deity, Enki.  I often wonder how and why they continue to call themselves “Satanists” when they are more accurately “Enkists”.  Granted, few Theistic Satanists regard Satan as the villainous character He is portrayed to be within the Christian tradition, but I feel that if you understand your Deity to be Enki, then you are not a “Satanist”.

The purpose of this article is to clear the air of any misinformation regarding the (false) equating of Luciferianism with Theistic Satanism.  In addition to this purpose however, there are also a great number of disturbing trends within the online presence of Theistic Satanism.

Some members of this Theistic Satanism community online have begun to “represent” the supposed broader Theistic Satanism community with “informative” posts entitled “Ask a Theistic Satanist”.  In these posts, members of the forums in question may ask the alleged Theistic Satanist any question and he/she will promptly answer.  The disturbing thing that I have noticed about this trend is that the alleged Theistic Satanist will then answer with statements such as “we [Theistic Satanists] believe”, “we [Theistic Satanists] do/do not”, etc.  The innate problem with these statements is that there can be no “we” as Theistic Satanism is not a congregation, organised religious sect or group which shares a common religious platform.  It is likened to someone speaking for the whole of humanity with complete disregard to racial, cultural and societal variations.  Furthermore, most of these alleged Theistic Satanists are Enkists – there also seems to be a great desire amongst them to convince the Neo-Pagan community that Satan is actually, of course, Enki or even the Egyptian god, Set.  Let me reiterate – Enkists worship Enki.  Setians venerate the concept of Set.  Satanists venerate the concept of Satan.  Luciferians venerate the concept of Lucifer.

To conclude, believe as you like – but please respect that:

A.  You do not speak for the whole of “Theistic Satanism”, no matter who you are or how you identify, as there is no unified and organised religion known as “Theistic Satanism”.

B.  Luciferians are not representative of Theistic Satanism.

C.  If you consider your Luciferian path to be the only “good and White Light” path within the Left Hand Path, then consider yourself to be of the so-called “Gray” or “Middle” Path – if you do not embrace the philosophies of the Left Hand Path, then you do not follow one.

D.  If you do not worship the concept or entity known as Satan, then you are not a “Satanist”.  If you consider Satan to be Enki, then you are an Enkist.  If you consider Satan to be Set, then you follow some variety of Setianism.  If you choose not to refer to Satan as “Satan” in order to avoid “negative preconceptions” associated with this title, then you most certainly are not a Satanist of any description.